it's one sixth the density of new york city. there's a lot of myths going on around gaza. there are luxury hotels, there are rich people and a lot of poor people. when you start saying poverty is an excuse for terrorism and sending rockets, there are a lot poorer places than gaza. >> you're in contact with hamas, what in the end do they hope to achieve? they can't blow their way to victory here. they may win a few skirmishes, battles, but they're not going to win the war overtime, are they? >> hamas is an organization that won an election in 2006. and we didn't like it that they won the election, and they were undermined. we cut them off, that's where the beginning of the siege was. and israeli officials at the time, israeli government officials said our policy toward gaza is to put the palestinians on a diet. there's malnutrition in gaza, it's not open. you can talk about two luxury hotels that are there that serve three or four people, this is an impoverished part of the world that is more deeply impoverished now than before the israelis made settlements. >> is that just